Michigan Airsoft
Michigan Airsoft => Airsoft Discussion => Topic started by: Vic on July 07, 2015, 02:41:23 PM
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So, i know this is the second time I post this, but I'm looking for a GBB/NBB sidearm. Criteria much looser this time. Budget $120-ish.
First, huge plus if it's a 1911, or a CZ-P07 or P09. Otherwise, most models welcome with exceptions.
Must be:
-Green Gas. Will consider co2 with personal vouch.
-Reliable/durable
-Repairable (great if TM compatible)
-Metal where it matters.
-Slightly more interested in gbb, but not against nbb if gas consumption is good.
-Gas efficiency is a huge plus
-Slight plus if barrel threaded.
NOT interested in:
-M9 variants.
-FN FiveseveN variants.
-Used guns, unless seller is well known on MiA, and familiar with GBBs and/or NBBs.
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BUMP.
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What are your thoughts on KJWs line of 1911s?
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What are your thoughts on KJWs line of 1911s?
I've had my eye on them. Gas consumption is allegedly pretty high on those, but reliability for the price is nothing to shake a stick at, considering the next step is KWA, and the asking price goes up.
The 1911A1 seems interesting. Its on my list with the ASG CZ P-9
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I personally consider KWA to make the best pistols. I have had 3 of them and my 2 buddies have them too and they are always reliable and the recoil is damn snappy too.
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KWA is a little bit out of my budget.
I think I really want a 1911, but I guess there's things I still don't understand, like is a green gas gun more durable/reliable than a co2 one?
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is a green gas gun more durable/reliable than a co2 one?
Personally I prefer green gas. A can of propane with oil added to it (if you don't have a propane adapter with an oil port you can always get one of these (http://www.evike.com/products/45832/) and treat an entire can of propane at once)
will last you a good long while. A can of propane is cheap, and a little container of oil will last forever (comes with the kit linked above if you don't already have some)
As far as reliability they are both gas so will both suffer in colder weather. There is a difference in the cost of mags (CO2 seem to be more expensive) I haven't used both in airsoft so can't really compare. But I have no complaints with my KWA ATP using propane with oil added to it.
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Green gas/propane is the way to go. CO2 shoots way too hot, you won't be able to use it in close encounters, which kind of negates the whole purpose of a sidearm. Not to mention that CO2 is significantly more stressful on GBB internals.
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So here are some candidates for the job.
http://www.evike.com/products/32696/
http://www.evike.com/products/30356/
http://www.evike.com/products/28054/
I prefer the more modern 1911s , but the a1 comes at a pretty good price.
Also, for only $10 extra I can get a co2 mag, which yes I'd prefer a green gas mag, but for $10? Tempting...
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If you go 1911 I'd look hard at a double stack. While not as good of a feel in the hand as a single stack the extra gas reservoir room is worth it for me. I've generally had fair luck with single stacks over the years but when they start getting worn and gas efficiency starts to go down you don't have nearly the amount of leeway same with lower temps.
Luke
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So the A1 is the only single stack in the ones I've shared, right?
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The first and third are both single stacks. I have the KP-05 myself, and it absolutely rocks. I can generally get around 2 full mags out of single fill. I run .23s in mine, (Granted I pretty much run .23s in all of my guns besides my Maruzen) and the accuracy and range greatly surpassed my expectations. Overall, I'd say it's by far the best bang for your buck.
*EDIT* Don't bother with the Co2 mag. I bought one with mine and it never worked properly. Every couple shots it just simply wouldn't fill the gas chamber and I'd have to re-rack the slide causing double feeds. The mag was more than likely just a lemon, but I wouldn't really advise using Co2 anyways.
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The first and third are both single stacks. I have the KP-05 myself, and it absolutely rocks. I can generally get around 2 full mags out of single fill. I run .23s in mine, (Granted I pretty much run .23s in all of my guns besides my Maruzen) and the accuracy and range greatly surpassed my expectations. Overall, I'd say it's by far the best bang for your buck.
*EDIT* Don't bother with the Co2 mag. I bought one with mine and it never worked properly. Every couple shots it just simply wouldn't fill the gas chamber and I'd have to re-rack the slide causing double feeds. The mag was more than likely just a lemon, but I wouldn't really advise using Co2 anyways.
I think I'm gonna go for the KP-07. I know that Luke said double stacks have more fuel space, but if you say the single stacks hold 2 full mags worth, I'd say that's plenty good for me.
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The KP-05 (the one I own that gets ~2 mags per fill) is a double stack, not a single. I would highly recommend getting the double over the single.
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Yep with a single stack best case you might get a few more shots than the mag holds in most cases. Cool down though is also much more of an issue with single stack overall double stacks just work better. This coming from a guy who carrys a single stack as my normal daily carry gun, I'd rather they worked better but I haven't had allot of luck with them.
Luke
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Is the KP-05 the hi capa?
And how can I tell if it's single or double stack?
I'm really digging the 07, and if it's double then it should be just as good as the 05 correct?
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The KP-05 looks to be double stack, two fairly easy ways to tell look at the mags and see how thick they are. Single stacks are quite thin, less than a half inch thick. Double stacks are nearly twice the thickness. Also the frame on a single stack 1911 is flat, IE front to rear it's a flat slab of metal(or plastic etc). Where the double stacks will always stick out for the extra width required for the thicker mags.
(https://www.miairsoft.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg-cdn.redwolfairsoft.com%2Fupload%2Fproduct%2Fimg%2FKJ57-5L.jpg&hash=14de735ee19ee28f98e88d737c43e47edf837e36)
If you look at that image that's a double stack, notice the frame sticks out and it's more pronounced around the mag catch as well the frame has to get allot wider for the mag.
If you look at this one(not airsoft but doesn't matter same rules apply):
(https://www.miairsoft.org/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2FDk6X0QIcQ3s%2Fmaxresdefault.jpg&hash=c186c9ea4cab30c128244f2557468e878f4c0487)
The frame is flat as can be front to rear from the dust shield all the way to the grip safety. Also note the grips are very different between the two as well and not compatible.
Luke
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http://www.evike.com/products/30356/ so, this is the KP-05? I see what you're saying, it looks double stack.
The KP-07( http://www.evike.com/products/32696/ ) however looks to be single stack.
I think I'll go with the Hi capa KP05 then.
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That's correct, actually on the 07 it says in the first line of the description that it's a single stack, but it's not always that easy;)
But yep looks like the 05 is a double stack gun. Only other thing to be aware of is holster fit, a normal double stack will fit in any normal single stack 1911 rig, but railed guns are a whole other ball of wax. So holster fit for a railed gun will be different and will require a different rig than a standard 1911 holster if it's a molded holster, kydex or leather. For some of the button rigs like the Serpa you'll still likely need a rig for a railed gun though single or double stack shouldn't effect it unless the rig goes high enough to hit that frame width change since the front half of the gun and trigger guard are basically the same.
Luke
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So essentially, if I'm getting a serpa, make sure it's designed for a railed 1911. Got it.
As far as fit up by the grip, I guess that's something i need to find out by trying.
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Usually you can look at a holster and see how much of the gun it covers and decide if it's going to work, or find someone else who has tried it before.
Most of my knowledge of holsters is leather since I spend all day building holsters for a living, so info on other materials and holsters is either stuff I've learned from being a holster maker and trying things or stuff I've read from other makers of kydex etc.
Take care!
Luke
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The KP-05 (the one I own that gets ~2 mags per fill) is a double stack, not a single. I would highly recommend getting the double over the single.
Will you be at no limits on Sunday? The weather looks like it's gonna crap out but even if it does I might just go for the swap meet and i'd like to at least handle the KP-05 before I buy it, possibly shoot it if you're up for that.
Oh, and is it TM based? it I thought I read that but can't find it...
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I'm planning on being there if the weather permits. If you wanna fire off a few rounds with it feel free mate. I have plenty of propane but I do not have a fill adapter, so you'll have to find someone there that will let you borrow one for a minute. Yes, it is TM based.